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- June 17, 2015 at 8:50 pm #71234
Hi all,
Situation: No runners on base. Batter hits a Home Run over the fence, and misses second base as he/she is rounding the bases.
At what point is the earliest the defensive team can appeal the missed bag?
a) As soon as the Batter-runner misses 2nd base
b) As soon as the BR crosses 3rd base
c) As soon as the BR crosses home plate
d) As soon as the BR enters the team’s dugout or other out-of-play areaThanks!
June 17, 2015 at 9:32 pm #71235Rule 8-9 i 3 Exception 3c, Note 1-2 (It’s on page 198 about 1/3 of the way down)
A runner who has left a base too soon on a caught fly ball, or who has missed a base, and who is in the act of returning to retouch the missed base or base left too soon, may continue to the base.
Note: 1. If the ball goes out of play, the dead ball appeal cannot be made until the umpire places a new ball into the game; and
2. All runners have finished their base-running obligationsSo, the moment the BR touches home plate, AND the Umpire puts a new ball into play is the moment the defensive team can appeal the missed bag.
However, until the BR enters the dugout, they can still return to touch the missed 2nd base (they do need to touch home and 3rd base on their way back: however Rule 8-4 (a) refers only to live-ball play, not dead-ball play.)
As umpires, we should wait until there is no possibility of a play, or in this situation the runner returning to touch a missed bag, (so we wait for the BR to enter the dugout) before putting a ball back into play and accepting an appeal.
Is there a flaw in my reasoning here? Please confirm.
Thanks,
Mark
June 18, 2015 at 11:34 am #71241I don’t believe we want to be in the habit of waiting for the home run hitter to enter the dugout before returning the ball to play, as this would unduly delay the game. Especially with on field celebrations of home runs we see at higher level ball.
A runner cannot return to touch a missed base unless s/he was in the act of returning (running in the direction) when the ball was ruled dead [In this case when the ball went over the fence].
The key here is the home run is an “award of bases” and the ball is dead.
Not touching a base on an award of bases is a big oversight. This is handled under a different section that has no provision for re-touching a missed base (“Awarded bases must be touched in legal order”). The ruling on proper appeal is an out per 8.4.h (EFFECT – Sec. 4e-i). As soon as third has been touched, the error has been made and cannot be rectified. The appeal can only be heard after the ball is put back into play and all runners are finished their base-running obligations.
- General concepts for Dead Ball Appeal
Keep in mind a dead ball appeal isn’t a hurry up and appeal before the problem is fixed. The defence has all the time they need prior to the next pitch to make the dead ball appeal properly. The timing of when the appeal while the ball is dead is irrelevant. If the player was returning to the base at the point of dead ball, even if the appeal was initiated prior to the player actually returning to the base, the player is still safe. If they weren’t in the act of returning to the base at the time of the dead ball, then an appeal can be allowed. The player doesn’t have the option to “fix it”
June 19, 2015 at 1:13 am #71247But of course you wouldn’t be making a habit of it. You would only wait to put the new ball in play when a home run hitter had missed a base. 1 in 10 maybe.
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